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		<title>By: Expert Texture &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WinFx is Dead Part 2</title>
		<link>http://rwandering.net/2006/10/09/winfx-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-59596</link>
		<dc:creator>Expert Texture &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WinFx is Dead Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After I posted WinFx is Dead, I&#8217;ve gotten two kinds of comments:&#160;  Didn&#8217;t you hear that WinFx has been renamed .NET 3.0?&#160;&#160;What rock have you been hiding under? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After I posted WinFx is Dead, I&#8217;ve gotten two kinds of comments:&nbsp;  Didn&#8217;t you hear that WinFx has been renamed .NET 3.0?&nbsp;&nbsp;What rock have you been hiding under? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Powers</title>
		<link>http://rwandering.net/2006/10/09/winfx-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-59288</link>
		<dc:creator>John Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment that WinFX &quot;...was never internalized by the product teams&quot; is too polite.    

This is a big, big deal, yet Microsoft continues to vacilate on this issue.  I hear Microsoft execs stand up and proclaim that everything is .NET.  Then I see product teams create products without the slightest nod to .NET, using a patchwork of unmanaged code and interfaces dating back to the (early) COM days.  

I have heard people walking around Microsoft conferences saying out loud that .NET is dead.  I have heard people walking around Microsoft conferences saying .NET 3.0 is the coolest thing ever.  I have heard fence-sitting Corporate VPs at Microsoft proclaim that there&#039;s a place for managed code and a place for unmanged code, that they love managed code but unmanaged code is &quot;not going away any time soon -- maybe ever.&quot;  

These Zen-like utterances are not followed up by any guidance as to where Microsoft (the whole company) thinks managed code is appropriate and where it&#039;s inappropriate -- and I fear that&#039;s because they don&#039;t know (yes, I mean that literally -- as a company, if the disagreements go so deep that they can&#039;t articulate a single clear position to the outside world, that means they don&#039;t know).  

And you are completely correct -- there&#039;s no doubt that &quot;Microsoft&quot; (i.e., some part of Microsoft) will proclaim that Windows has a &quot;fully managed API&quot; and it will have some witty name.  But that doesn&#039;t make it true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment that WinFX &#8220;&#8230;was never internalized by the product teams&#8221; is too polite.    </p>
<p>This is a big, big deal, yet Microsoft continues to vacilate on this issue.  I hear Microsoft execs stand up and proclaim that everything is .NET.  Then I see product teams create products without the slightest nod to .NET, using a patchwork of unmanaged code and interfaces dating back to the (early) COM days.  </p>
<p>I have heard people walking around Microsoft conferences saying out loud that .NET is dead.  I have heard people walking around Microsoft conferences saying .NET 3.0 is the coolest thing ever.  I have heard fence-sitting Corporate VPs at Microsoft proclaim that there&#8217;s a place for managed code and a place for unmanged code, that they love managed code but unmanaged code is &#8220;not going away any time soon &#8212; maybe ever.&#8221;  </p>
<p>These Zen-like utterances are not followed up by any guidance as to where Microsoft (the whole company) thinks managed code is appropriate and where it&#8217;s inappropriate &#8212; and I fear that&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t know (yes, I mean that literally &#8212; as a company, if the disagreements go so deep that they can&#8217;t articulate a single clear position to the outside world, that means they don&#8217;t know).  </p>
<p>And you are completely correct &#8212; there&#8217;s no doubt that &#8220;Microsoft&#8221; (i.e., some part of Microsoft) will proclaim that Windows has a &#8220;fully managed API&#8221; and it will have some witty name.  But that doesn&#8217;t make it true.</p>
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